Wireless Access

I'm curious how to mount the 367 model of exterior AP which HP document says to mount in "vertical" orientation. 



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Demetri Orlando
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Just in case it's helpful to anyone in the future... The above mounting picture is incorrect. Here is a picture of the correct orientation for a 367:


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Demetri Orlando
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Original Message:
Sent: Mar 11, 2021 12:37 PM
From: Demetri Orlando
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

I'm curious how to mount the 367 model of exterior AP which HP document says to mount in "vertical" orientation. 

The AP-365 access point is equipped with built-in omni-directional antennas which are optimized for horizontal mounted orientation of the AP-365 access point. The AP-367 access point is equipped with built-in directional antennas which are optimized for vertical mounted orientation of the AP-367 access point.

We mounted them like this: (to me, this looks like it's mounted horizontally which is apparently incorrect?)

Thanks for any advice on this.

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Demetri Orlando
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Demetri is right!

The AP-367 has internal directional antenna's with a 90x90 degrees beam, it haven't omni antenna's like the AP-365, both models have there own purpose.

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Marcel Koedijk | MVP Guru 2021 | ACMP | ACCP | Ekahau ECSE | Not an HPE Employee | Opionions are my own
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Original Message:
Sent: Mar 14, 2021 08:13 AM
From: Demetri Orlando
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

Just in case it's helpful to anyone in the future... The above mounting picture is incorrect. Here is a picture of the correct orientation for a 367:

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Demetri Orlando

Original Message:
Sent: Mar 11, 2021 12:37 PM
From: Demetri Orlando
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

I'm curious how to mount the 367 model of exterior AP which HP document says to mount in "vertical" orientation. 

The AP-365 access point is equipped with built-in omni-directional antennas which are optimized for horizontal mounted orientation of the AP-365 access point. The AP-367 access point is equipped with built-in directional antennas which are optimized for vertical mounted orientation of the AP-367 access point.

We mounted them like this: (to me, this looks like it's mounted horizontally which is apparently incorrect?)

Thanks for any advice on this.

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Demetri Orlando
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Does Aruba provide any type of distance expectations you could get from a 365/367?  I know all installations will be different with a number of variables and things that can disrupt the signal but I wasnt sure if they had anything that said 'in a perfect situation, you could expect to get signal for 100 meters in an omni direction from a 365' for example.... is there anything like that for a 365 & 367 AP?

thanks!

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Brian Freas
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Original Message:
Sent: Mar 14, 2021 12:48 PM
From: marcel koedijk
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

Demetri is right!

The AP-367 has internal directional antenna's with a 90x90 degrees beam, it haven't omni antenna's like the AP-365, both models have there own purpose.

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Marcel Koedijk | MVP Guru 2021 | ACMP | ACCP | Ekahau ECSE | Not an HPE Employee | Opionions are my own

Original Message:
Sent: Mar 14, 2021 08:13 AM
From: Demetri Orlando
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

Just in case it's helpful to anyone in the future... The above mounting picture is incorrect. Here is a picture of the correct orientation for a 367:

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Demetri Orlando

Original Message:
Sent: Mar 11, 2021 12:37 PM
From: Demetri Orlando
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

I'm curious how to mount the 367 model of exterior AP which HP document says to mount in "vertical" orientation. 

The AP-365 access point is equipped with built-in omni-directional antennas which are optimized for horizontal mounted orientation of the AP-365 access point. The AP-367 access point is equipped with built-in directional antennas which are optimized for vertical mounted orientation of the AP-367 access point.

We mounted them like this: (to me, this looks like it's mounted horizontally which is apparently incorrect?)

Thanks for any advice on this.

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Demetri Orlando
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There was a really good Atmosphere session that touched on this. You should see if you can still find the recorded session (or slide shows) titled "AB316AM Apply Radio Frequency (RF) Fundamentals to Optimize Wi-Fi Design." During that session they touched upon your question.

For example they mentioned for 365s, in a perfect world barring any trees/buildings/etc, a 365 could produce a reliable coverage radius of 100-125m. They mentioned ideally the height should be 4-6m above the ground, but its viable anywhere from 1-20m.

For the 367s they mentioned 30-40m side-to-side coverage, with parallel coverage shooting out to 200m (again, in ideal conditions). They mention mounting should be at or below 7.5m aim straight out parallel to the ground. For every 5m above 7.5m, downtilt it ~5 degrees.

thank you.  Do you know how many concurrent connections the 365/367 models can handle?

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Brian Freas
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Original Message:
Sent: Jun 21, 2021 11:43 AM
From: Cody Ensanian
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

There was a really good Atmosphere session that touched on this. You should see if you can still find the recorded session (or slide shows) titled "AB316AM Apply Radio Frequency (RF) Fundamentals to Optimize Wi-Fi Design." During that session they touched upon your question.

For example they mentioned for 365s, in a perfect world barring any trees/buildings/etc, a 365 could produce a reliable coverage radius of 100-125m. They mentioned ideally the height should be 4-6m above the ground, but its viable anywhere from 1-20m.

For the 367s they mentioned 30-40m side-to-side coverage, with parallel coverage shooting out to 200m (again, in ideal conditions). They mention mounting should be at or below 7.5m aim straight out parallel to the ground. For every 5m above 7.5m, downtilt it ~5 degrees.

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Cody Ensanian

Original Message:
Sent: Jun 21, 2021 09:24 AM
From: Brian Freas
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

Does Aruba provide any type of distance expectations you could get from a 365/367?  I know all installations will be different with a number of variables and things that can disrupt the signal but I wasnt sure if they had anything that said 'in a perfect situation, you could expect to get signal for 100 meters in an omni direction from a 365' for example.... is there anything like that for a 365 & 367 AP?

thanks!

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Brian Freas

Original Message:
Sent: Mar 14, 2021 12:48 PM
From: marcel koedijk
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

Demetri is right!

The AP-367 has internal directional antenna's with a 90x90 degrees beam, it haven't omni antenna's like the AP-365, both models have there own purpose.

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Marcel Koedijk | MVP Guru 2021 | ACMP | ACCP | Ekahau ECSE | Not an HPE Employee | Opionions are my own

Original Message:
Sent: Mar 14, 2021 08:13 AM
From: Demetri Orlando
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

Just in case it's helpful to anyone in the future... The above mounting picture is incorrect. Here is a picture of the correct orientation for a 367:

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Demetri Orlando

Original Message:
Sent: Mar 11, 2021 12:37 PM
From: Demetri Orlando
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

I'm curious how to mount the 367 model of exterior AP which HP document says to mount in "vertical" orientation. 

The AP-365 access point is equipped with built-in omni-directional antennas which are optimized for horizontal mounted orientation of the AP-365 access point. The AP-367 access point is equipped with built-in directional antennas which are optimized for vertical mounted orientation of the AP-367 access point.

We mounted them like this: (to me, this looks like it's mounted horizontally which is apparently incorrect?)

Thanks for any advice on this.

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Demetri Orlando
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From Aruba's website: Practical maximum client count indication (per radio) is 50.  Max number of associations is 256.

Edit-There are two radios, so double that to 100 practical maximum client count, 512 max number of associations.

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Jim Lucas
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Original Message:
Sent: Jul 08, 2021 01:56 PM
From: Brian Freas
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

thank you.  Do you know how many concurrent connections the 365/367 models can handle?

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Brian Freas

Original Message:
Sent: Jun 21, 2021 11:43 AM
From: Cody Ensanian
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

There was a really good Atmosphere session that touched on this. You should see if you can still find the recorded session (or slide shows) titled "AB316AM Apply Radio Frequency (RF) Fundamentals to Optimize Wi-Fi Design." During that session they touched upon your question.

For example they mentioned for 365s, in a perfect world barring any trees/buildings/etc, a 365 could produce a reliable coverage radius of 100-125m. They mentioned ideally the height should be 4-6m above the ground, but its viable anywhere from 1-20m.

For the 367s they mentioned 30-40m side-to-side coverage, with parallel coverage shooting out to 200m (again, in ideal conditions). They mention mounting should be at or below 7.5m aim straight out parallel to the ground. For every 5m above 7.5m, downtilt it ~5 degrees.

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Cody Ensanian

Original Message:
Sent: Jun 21, 2021 09:24 AM
From: Brian Freas
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

Does Aruba provide any type of distance expectations you could get from a 365/367?  I know all installations will be different with a number of variables and things that can disrupt the signal but I wasnt sure if they had anything that said 'in a perfect situation, you could expect to get signal for 100 meters in an omni direction from a 365' for example.... is there anything like that for a 365 & 367 AP?

thanks!

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Brian Freas

Original Message:
Sent: Mar 14, 2021 12:48 PM
From: marcel koedijk
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

Demetri is right!

The AP-367 has internal directional antenna's with a 90x90 degrees beam, it haven't omni antenna's like the AP-365, both models have there own purpose.

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Marcel Koedijk | MVP Guru 2021 | ACMP | ACCP | Ekahau ECSE | Not an HPE Employee | Opionions are my own

Original Message:
Sent: Mar 14, 2021 08:13 AM
From: Demetri Orlando
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

Just in case it's helpful to anyone in the future... The above mounting picture is incorrect. Here is a picture of the correct orientation for a 367:

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Demetri Orlando

Original Message:
Sent: Mar 11, 2021 12:37 PM
From: Demetri Orlando
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

I'm curious how to mount the 367 model of exterior AP which HP document says to mount in "vertical" orientation. 

The AP-365 access point is equipped with built-in omni-directional antennas which are optimized for horizontal mounted orientation of the AP-365 access point. The AP-367 access point is equipped with built-in directional antennas which are optimized for vertical mounted orientation of the AP-367 access point.

We mounted them like this: (to me, this looks like it's mounted horizontally which is apparently incorrect?)

Thanks for any advice on this.

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Demetri Orlando
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Demetri Orlando, which mount are you using? Does it allow for tilt as well?

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Nathan Kuhl
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Original Message:
Sent: Mar 14, 2021 08:13 AM
From: Demetri Orlando
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

Just in case it's helpful to anyone in the future... The above mounting picture is incorrect. Here is a picture of the correct orientation for a 367:

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Demetri Orlando

Original Message:
Sent: Mar 11, 2021 12:37 PM
From: Demetri Orlando
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

I'm curious how to mount the 367 model of exterior AP which HP document says to mount in "vertical" orientation. 

The AP-365 access point is equipped with built-in omni-directional antennas which are optimized for horizontal mounted orientation of the AP-365 access point. The AP-367 access point is equipped with built-in directional antennas which are optimized for vertical mounted orientation of the AP-367 access point.

We mounted them like this: (to me, this looks like it's mounted horizontally which is apparently incorrect?)

Thanks for any advice on this.

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Demetri Orlando
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The AP-270-MNT-H3 has become my go to for outdoor APs like this. Control on both axis.



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Dustin Burns
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Original Message:
Sent: Mar 15, 2021 08:15 AM
From: Nathan Kuhl
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

Demetri Orlando, which mount are you using? Does it allow for tilt as well?

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Nathan Kuhl

Original Message:
Sent: Mar 14, 2021 08:13 AM
From: Demetri Orlando
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

Just in case it's helpful to anyone in the future... The above mounting picture is incorrect. Here is a picture of the correct orientation for a 367:

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Demetri Orlando

Original Message:
Sent: Mar 11, 2021 12:37 PM
From: Demetri Orlando
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

I'm curious how to mount the 367 model of exterior AP which HP document says to mount in "vertical" orientation. 

The AP-365 access point is equipped with built-in omni-directional antennas which are optimized for horizontal mounted orientation of the AP-365 access point. The AP-367 access point is equipped with built-in directional antennas which are optimized for vertical mounted orientation of the AP-367 access point.

We mounted them like this: (to me, this looks like it's mounted horizontally which is apparently incorrect?)

Thanks for any advice on this.

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Demetri Orlando
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Nathan,
I just ordered some of the dual axis mounts (AP-270-MNT-H3) mentioned by Dustin (thank you!), and I am also using a single axis mount (AP-270-MNT-H1) in locations where the AP just needs to point straight out from its mounted location.
Best,
Demetri

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Demetri Orlando
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Original Message:
Sent: Mar 15, 2021 08:15 AM
From: Nathan Kuhl
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

Demetri Orlando, which mount are you using? Does it allow for tilt as well?

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Nathan Kuhl

Original Message:
Sent: Mar 14, 2021 08:13 AM
From: Demetri Orlando
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

Just in case it's helpful to anyone in the future... The above mounting picture is incorrect. Here is a picture of the correct orientation for a 367:

------------------------------
Demetri Orlando

Original Message:
Sent: Mar 11, 2021 12:37 PM
From: Demetri Orlando
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

I'm curious how to mount the 367 model of exterior AP which HP document says to mount in "vertical" orientation. 

The AP-365 access point is equipped with built-in omni-directional antennas which are optimized for horizontal mounted orientation of the AP-365 access point. The AP-367 access point is equipped with built-in directional antennas which are optimized for vertical mounted orientation of the AP-367 access point.

We mounted them like this: (to me, this looks like it's mounted horizontally which is apparently incorrect?)

Thanks for any advice on this.

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Demetri Orlando
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On a side note, what kind of cabling is recommended for an install like this? We're about to hang an AP-577 on an exterior wall. Does it need to be rated for outdoor? Cat6 solid shielded/unshielded?

Any help would be appreciated.

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Nathan Kuhl
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Original Message:
Sent: Mar 14, 2021 08:13 AM
From: Demetri Orlando
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

Just in case it's helpful to anyone in the future... The above mounting picture is incorrect. Here is a picture of the correct orientation for a 367:

------------------------------
Demetri Orlando

Original Message:
Sent: Mar 11, 2021 12:37 PM
From: Demetri Orlando
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

I'm curious how to mount the 367 model of exterior AP which HP document says to mount in "vertical" orientation. 

The AP-365 access point is equipped with built-in omni-directional antennas which are optimized for horizontal mounted orientation of the AP-365 access point. The AP-367 access point is equipped with built-in directional antennas which are optimized for vertical mounted orientation of the AP-367 access point.

We mounted them like this: (to me, this looks like it's mounted horizontally which is apparently incorrect?)

Thanks for any advice on this.

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Demetri Orlando
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Yes. It is recommended to use an outdoor rated cable. They are usually made with an outer jacket with better UV protection, and filled with a gel that resists corrosion.

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Dustin Burns
Senior Mobility and Access Engineer @WEI

ACCX 1271| ACMX 509| ACSP | ACDA | MVP Guru 2021
If my post was useful accept solution and/or give kudos
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Original Message:
Sent: Jul 14, 2021 08:43 AM
From: Nathan Kuhl
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

On a side note, what kind of cabling is recommended for an install like this? We're about to hang an AP-577 on an exterior wall. Does it need to be rated for outdoor? Cat6 solid shielded/unshielded?

Any help would be appreciated.

------------------------------
Nathan Kuhl

Original Message:
Sent: Mar 14, 2021 08:13 AM
From: Demetri Orlando
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

Just in case it's helpful to anyone in the future... The above mounting picture is incorrect. Here is a picture of the correct orientation for a 367:

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Demetri Orlando

Original Message:
Sent: Mar 11, 2021 12:37 PM
From: Demetri Orlando
Subject: AP 367 mounting orientation

I'm curious how to mount the 367 model of exterior AP which HP document says to mount in "vertical" orientation. 

The AP-365 access point is equipped with built-in omni-directional antennas which are optimized for horizontal mounted orientation of the AP-365 access point. The AP-367 access point is equipped with built-in directional antennas which are optimized for vertical mounted orientation of the AP-367 access point.

We mounted them like this: (to me, this looks like it's mounted horizontally which is apparently incorrect?)

Thanks for any advice on this.

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Demetri Orlando
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