Wireless Access

Hello everyone,

A new project involves providing Wi-Fi in an outdoor area. The area is not large, covering approximately 200x200 meters (660x660 feet). The attached picture is the draft of the area. You can see that Wi-Fi is primarily needed in two specific locations, and the rest of the area should be covered as well as possible. Since trees, in particular, play an important role in the outdoor environment, I have also included them in the draft (trees and bushes). I have marked the points where APs can definitely be installed. Electricity is available throughout the entire area, but LAN connections are only available at the points shown.

There are still 4 outdoor APs from the 270 Series available. These are two Aruba AP-277 with directional antennas (80º H x 80º V) and two AP-275 with omnidirectional antennas. While they are not the latest models, if you need more for this project, they can be purchased easily and cheaply. Are the newer, more expensive APs really worth it for a project like this?

The question now is how to ensure good Wi-Fi coverage in the two key areas and, ideally, cover the remaining space as well. By the way, the clients are standard mobile devices. Several APs can also be installed at the points shown, and the other APs can be integrated via mesh. There is a second 5GHz module for that. Do you have any suggestions on the best placement for the APs?

Thanks!

The maximum transmission power in this country is 20dBm (2.4GHz) and 30dBm in the 5GHz band.

The AP-270 series has been EOL since last October and the last supported software was AOS 8.6.

A single 575/585/675 in the middle of the area is sufficient to cover the area, assuming that meets the client needs.  More APs around the other areas would need to be decided based on actual performance (i.e., do a survey) and required client density.

Hello everyone,

A new project involves providing Wi-Fi in an outdoor area. The area is not large, covering approximately 200x200 meters (660x660 feet). The attached picture is the draft of the area. You can see that Wi-Fi is primarily needed in two specific locations, and the rest of the area should be covered as well as possible. Since trees, in particular, play an important role in the outdoor environment, I have also included them in the draft (trees and bushes). I have marked the points where APs can definitely be installed. Electricity is available throughout the entire area, but LAN connections are only available at the points shown.

There are still 4 outdoor APs from the 270 Series available. These are two Aruba AP-277 with directional antennas (80º H x 80º V) and two AP-275 with omnidirectional antennas. While they are not the latest models, if you need more for this project, they can be purchased easily and cheaply. Are the newer, more expensive APs really worth it for a project like this?

The question now is how to ensure good Wi-Fi coverage in the two key areas and, ideally, cover the remaining space as well. By the way, the clients are standard mobile devices. Several APs can also be installed at the points shown, and the other APs can be integrated via mesh. There is a second 5GHz module for that. Do you have any suggestions on the best placement for the APs?

Thanks!

The maximum transmission power in this country is 20dBm (2.4GHz) and 30dBm in the 5GHz band.

Thanks for your answer. Why should an AP 575/585/675 have a better range and cover a larger area than an AP-275? The transmission power is reduced by the country code and is the same as or am I making a mistake somewhere regarding the antennas?

Since the area is not an free are (no line of sight) but there are many large trees or other things in the way, one will probably not be enough. I was thinking maybe the AP-277 on the blue points and then the 275 with mesh for further coverage...

The AP-270 series has been EOL since last October and the last supported software was AOS 8.6.

A single 575/585/675 in the middle of the area is sufficient to cover the area, assuming that meets the client needs.  More APs around the other areas would need to be decided based on actual performance (i.e., do a survey) and required client density.

Hello everyone,

A new project involves providing Wi-Fi in an outdoor area. The area is not large, covering approximately 200x200 meters (660x660 feet). The attached picture is the draft of the area. You can see that Wi-Fi is primarily needed in two specific locations, and the rest of the area should be covered as well as possible. Since trees, in particular, play an important role in the outdoor environment, I have also included them in the draft (trees and bushes). I have marked the points where APs can definitely be installed. Electricity is available throughout the entire area, but LAN connections are only available at the points shown.

There are still 4 outdoor APs from the 270 Series available. These are two Aruba AP-277 with directional antennas (80º H x 80º V) and two AP-275 with omnidirectional antennas. While they are not the latest models, if you need more for this project, they can be purchased easily and cheaply. Are the newer, more expensive APs really worth it for a project like this?

The question now is how to ensure good Wi-Fi coverage in the two key areas and, ideally, cover the remaining space as well. By the way, the clients are standard mobile devices. Several APs can also be installed at the points shown, and the other APs can be integrated via mesh. There is a second 5GHz module for that. Do you have any suggestions on the best placement for the APs?

Thanks!

The maximum transmission power in this country is 20dBm (2.4GHz) and 30dBm in the 5GHz band.

The AP-270 series has been EOL since last October and the last supported software was AOS 8.6.

A single 575/585/675 in the middle of the area is sufficient to cover the area, assuming that meets the client needs.  More APs around the other areas would need to be decided based on actual performance (i.e., do a survey) and required client density.

Hello everyone,

A new project involves providing Wi-Fi in an outdoor area. The area is not large, covering approximately 200x200 meters (660x660 feet). The attached picture is the draft of the area. You can see that Wi-Fi is primarily needed in two specific locations, and the rest of the area should be covered as well as possible. Since trees, in particular, play an important role in the outdoor environment, I have also included them in the draft (trees and bushes). I have marked the points where APs can definitely be installed. Electricity is available throughout the entire area, but LAN connections are only available at the points shown.

There are still 4 outdoor APs from the 270 Series available. These are two Aruba AP-277 with directional antennas (80º H x 80º V) and two AP-275 with omnidirectional antennas. While they are not the latest models, if you need more for this project, they can be purchased easily and cheaply. Are the newer, more expensive APs really worth it for a project like this?

The question now is how to ensure good Wi-Fi coverage in the two key areas and, ideally, cover the remaining space as well. By the way, the clients are standard mobile devices. Several APs can also be installed at the points shown, and the other APs can be integrated via mesh. There is a second 5GHz module for that. Do you have any suggestions on the best placement for the APs?

Thanks!

The maximum transmission power in this country is 20dBm (2.4GHz) and 30dBm in the 5GHz band.

The AP-270 series is supported up to 8.10 (we have ~30 AP-275/277 running on 8.10 with a project to replace them with 575).  I agree - a true site survey with an AP-on-a-stick would give a much better representation of placement and needs. - https://www.arubanetworks.com/assets/matrix/matrix_WLAN-platforms-software-support-matrix.pdf

The AP-270 series has been EOL since last October and the last supported software was AOS 8.6.

A single 575/585/675 in the middle of the area is sufficient to cover the area, assuming that meets the client needs.  More APs around the other areas would need to be decided based on actual performance (i.e., do a survey) and required client density.

Hello everyone,

A new project involves providing Wi-Fi in an outdoor area. The area is not large, covering approximately 200x200 meters (660x660 feet). The attached picture is the draft of the area. You can see that Wi-Fi is primarily needed in two specific locations, and the rest of the area should be covered as well as possible. Since trees, in particular, play an important role in the outdoor environment, I have also included them in the draft (trees and bushes). I have marked the points where APs can definitely be installed. Electricity is available throughout the entire area, but LAN connections are only available at the points shown.

There are still 4 outdoor APs from the 270 Series available. These are two Aruba AP-277 with directional antennas (80º H x 80º V) and two AP-275 with omnidirectional antennas. While they are not the latest models, if you need more for this project, they can be purchased easily and cheaply. Are the newer, more expensive APs really worth it for a project like this?

The question now is how to ensure good Wi-Fi coverage in the two key areas and, ideally, cover the remaining space as well. By the way, the clients are standard mobile devices. Several APs can also be installed at the points shown, and the other APs can be integrated via mesh. There is a second 5GHz module for that. Do you have any suggestions on the best placement for the APs?

Thanks!

The maximum transmission power in this country is 20dBm (2.4GHz) and 30dBm in the 5GHz band.

Yes, that's what I get for not paying close enough attention and just looking at the Instant information.

Still, would not recommend a new installation in 2025 with the AP-270.

The AP-270 series is supported up to 8.10 (we have ~30 AP-275/277 running on 8.10 with a project to replace them with 575).  I agree - a true site survey with an AP-on-a-stick would give a much better representation of placement and needs. - https://www.arubanetworks.com/assets/matrix/matrix_WLAN-platforms-software-support-matrix.pdf

The AP-270 series has been EOL since last October and the last supported software was AOS 8.6.

A single 575/585/675 in the middle of the area is sufficient to cover the area, assuming that meets the client needs.  More APs around the other areas would need to be decided based on actual performance (i.e., do a survey) and required client density.

Hello everyone,

A new project involves providing Wi-Fi in an outdoor area. The area is not large, covering approximately 200x200 meters (660x660 feet). The attached picture is the draft of the area. You can see that Wi-Fi is primarily needed in two specific locations, and the rest of the area should be covered as well as possible. Since trees, in particular, play an important role in the outdoor environment, I have also included them in the draft (trees and bushes). I have marked the points where APs can definitely be installed. Electricity is available throughout the entire area, but LAN connections are only available at the points shown.

There are still 4 outdoor APs from the 270 Series available. These are two Aruba AP-277 with directional antennas (80º H x 80º V) and two AP-275 with omnidirectional antennas. While they are not the latest models, if you need more for this project, they can be purchased easily and cheaply. Are the newer, more expensive APs really worth it for a project like this?

The question now is how to ensure good Wi-Fi coverage in the two key areas and, ideally, cover the remaining space as well. By the way, the clients are standard mobile devices. Several APs can also be installed at the points shown, and the other APs can be integrated via mesh. There is a second 5GHz module for that. Do you have any suggestions on the best placement for the APs?

Thanks!

The maximum transmission power in this country is 20dBm (2.4GHz) and 30dBm in the 5GHz band.

Since there are still 4 APs from the 270 series, I thought that they would be installed first despite the EOL and then replaced step by step with the 570 series if necessary. It's just easier financially from a private perspective...

I think the diameter of 200-300m is possible in countries without maximum transmission power and with a clear view. Since neither of these is available, it will be much smaller. I will install an AP and test it.

I will get back to you....

Yes, that's what I get for not paying close enough attention and just looking at the Instant information.

Still, would not recommend a new installation in 2025 with the AP-270.

The AP-270 series is supported up to 8.10 (we have ~30 AP-275/277 running on 8.10 with a project to replace them with 575).  I agree - a true site survey with an AP-on-a-stick would give a much better representation of placement and needs. - https://www.arubanetworks.com/assets/matrix/matrix_WLAN-platforms-software-support-matrix.pdf

The AP-270 series has been EOL since last October and the last supported software was AOS 8.6.

A single 575/585/675 in the middle of the area is sufficient to cover the area, assuming that meets the client needs.  More APs around the other areas would need to be decided based on actual performance (i.e., do a survey) and required client density.

Hello everyone,

A new project involves providing Wi-Fi in an outdoor area. The area is not large, covering approximately 200x200 meters (660x660 feet). The attached picture is the draft of the area. You can see that Wi-Fi is primarily needed in two specific locations, and the rest of the area should be covered as well as possible. Since trees, in particular, play an important role in the outdoor environment, I have also included them in the draft (trees and bushes). I have marked the points where APs can definitely be installed. Electricity is available throughout the entire area, but LAN connections are only available at the points shown.

There are still 4 outdoor APs from the 270 Series available. These are two Aruba AP-277 with directional antennas (80º H x 80º V) and two AP-275 with omnidirectional antennas. While they are not the latest models, if you need more for this project, they can be purchased easily and cheaply. Are the newer, more expensive APs really worth it for a project like this?

The question now is how to ensure good Wi-Fi coverage in the two key areas and, ideally, cover the remaining space as well. By the way, the clients are standard mobile devices. Several APs can also be installed at the points shown, and the other APs can be integrated via mesh. There is a second 5GHz module for that. Do you have any suggestions on the best placement for the APs?

Thanks!

The maximum transmission power in this country is 20dBm (2.4GHz) and 30dBm in the 5GHz band.

Today I tested with the APs lying around. Once the range that the AP-275 has achieved and in another place the AP-277. The red line shows approximately up to where I still had a bar of reception with the smartphone. 
I installed the APs at a height of around 6m. I didn't configure much, just an SSID and the radio profiles with default values. Is this correct so far or can I optimize it a bit?

Since there are still 4 APs from the 270 series, I thought that they would be installed first despite the EOL and then replaced step by step with the 570 series if necessary. It's just easier financially from a private perspective...

I think the diameter of 200-300m is possible in countries without maximum transmission power and with a clear view. Since neither of these is available, it will be much smaller. I will install an AP and test it.

I will get back to you....

Yes, that's what I get for not paying close enough attention and just looking at the Instant information.

Still, would not recommend a new installation in 2025 with the AP-270.

The AP-270 series is supported up to 8.10 (we have ~30 AP-275/277 running on 8.10 with a project to replace them with 575).  I agree - a true site survey with an AP-on-a-stick would give a much better representation of placement and needs. - https://www.arubanetworks.com/assets/matrix/matrix_WLAN-platforms-software-support-matrix.pdf

The AP-270 series has been EOL since last October and the last supported software was AOS 8.6.

A single 575/585/675 in the middle of the area is sufficient to cover the area, assuming that meets the client needs.  More APs around the other areas would need to be decided based on actual performance (i.e., do a survey) and required client density.

Hello everyone,

A new project involves providing Wi-Fi in an outdoor area. The area is not large, covering approximately 200x200 meters (660x660 feet). The attached picture is the draft of the area. You can see that Wi-Fi is primarily needed in two specific locations, and the rest of the area should be covered as well as possible. Since trees, in particular, play an important role in the outdoor environment, I have also included them in the draft (trees and bushes). I have marked the points where APs can definitely be installed. Electricity is available throughout the entire area, but LAN connections are only available at the points shown.

There are still 4 outdoor APs from the 270 Series available. These are two Aruba AP-277 with directional antennas (80º H x 80º V) and two AP-275 with omnidirectional antennas. While they are not the latest models, if you need more for this project, they can be purchased easily and cheaply. Are the newer, more expensive APs really worth it for a project like this?

The question now is how to ensure good Wi-Fi coverage in the two key areas and, ideally, cover the remaining space as well. By the way, the clients are standard mobile devices. Several APs can also be installed at the points shown, and the other APs can be integrated via mesh. There is a second 5GHz module for that. Do you have any suggestions on the best placement for the APs?

Thanks!

The maximum transmission power in this country is 20dBm (2.4GHz) and 30dBm in the 5GHz band.

Yes, that's what I get for not paying close enough attention and just looking at the Instant information.

Still, would not recommend a new installation in 2025 with the AP-270.

The AP-270 series is supported up to 8.10 (we have ~30 AP-275/277 running on 8.10 with a project to replace them with 575).  I agree - a true site survey with an AP-on-a-stick would give a much better representation of placement and needs. - https://www.arubanetworks.com/assets/matrix/matrix_WLAN-platforms-software-support-matrix.pdf

The AP-270 series has been EOL since last October and the last supported software was AOS 8.6.

A single 575/585/675 in the middle of the area is sufficient to cover the area, assuming that meets the client needs.  More APs around the other areas would need to be decided based on actual performance (i.e., do a survey) and required client density.

Hello everyone,

A new project involves providing Wi-Fi in an outdoor area. The area is not large, covering approximately 200x200 meters (660x660 feet). The attached picture is the draft of the area. You can see that Wi-Fi is primarily needed in two specific locations, and the rest of the area should be covered as well as possible. Since trees, in particular, play an important role in the outdoor environment, I have also included them in the draft (trees and bushes). I have marked the points where APs can definitely be installed. Electricity is available throughout the entire area, but LAN connections are only available at the points shown.

There are still 4 outdoor APs from the 270 Series available. These are two Aruba AP-277 with directional antennas (80º H x 80º V) and two AP-275 with omnidirectional antennas. While they are not the latest models, if you need more for this project, they can be purchased easily and cheaply. Are the newer, more expensive APs really worth it for a project like this?

The question now is how to ensure good Wi-Fi coverage in the two key areas and, ideally, cover the remaining space as well. By the way, the clients are standard mobile devices. Several APs can also be installed at the points shown, and the other APs can be integrated via mesh. There is a second 5GHz module for that. Do you have any suggestions on the best placement for the APs?

Thanks!

The maximum transmission power in this country is 20dBm (2.4GHz) and 30dBm in the 5GHz band.

"Still, would not recommend a new installation in 2025 with the AP-270."

I agree completely

Yes, that's what I get for not paying close enough attention and just looking at the Instant information.

Still, would not recommend a new installation in 2025 with the AP-270.

The AP-270 series is supported up to 8.10 (we have ~30 AP-275/277 running on 8.10 with a project to replace them with 575).  I agree - a true site survey with an AP-on-a-stick would give a much better representation of placement and needs. - https://www.arubanetworks.com/assets/matrix/matrix_WLAN-platforms-software-support-matrix.pdf

The AP-270 series has been EOL since last October and the last supported software was AOS 8.6.

A single 575/585/675 in the middle of the area is sufficient to cover the area, assuming that meets the client needs.  More APs around the other areas would need to be decided based on actual performance (i.e., do a survey) and required client density.

Hello everyone,

A new project involves providing Wi-Fi in an outdoor area. The area is not large, covering approximately 200x200 meters (660x660 feet). The attached picture is the draft of the area. You can see that Wi-Fi is primarily needed in two specific locations, and the rest of the area should be covered as well as possible. Since trees, in particular, play an important role in the outdoor environment, I have also included them in the draft (trees and bushes). I have marked the points where APs can definitely be installed. Electricity is available throughout the entire area, but LAN connections are only available at the points shown.

There are still 4 outdoor APs from the 270 Series available. These are two Aruba AP-277 with directional antennas (80º H x 80º V) and two AP-275 with omnidirectional antennas. While they are not the latest models, if you need more for this project, they can be purchased easily and cheaply. Are the newer, more expensive APs really worth it for a project like this?

The question now is how to ensure good Wi-Fi coverage in the two key areas and, ideally, cover the remaining space as well. By the way, the clients are standard mobile devices. Several APs can also be installed at the points shown, and the other APs can be integrated via mesh. There is a second 5GHz module for that. Do you have any suggestions on the best placement for the APs?

Thanks!

The maximum transmission power in this country is 20dBm (2.4GHz) and 30dBm in the 5GHz band.

Hello again,

after I tested the range last time, I thought about how best to distribute the APs. I would do it like in the picture below and I should be able to cover all the important areas. The APs x77 are connected to the internet via wired Uplink. The two APs x75 only have a wireless Uplink.

If I use one of the 5GHz modules with its own SSID for the wireless Uplink on the x77 APs, it is enough if I enter this SSID under wireless Uplink on the x75 APs, right?

Should I use the 5xx APs or are the 3xx ones sufficient?

"Still, would not recommend a new installation in 2025 with the AP-270."

I agree completely

Yes, that's what I get for not paying close enough attention and just looking at the Instant information.

Still, would not recommend a new installation in 2025 with the AP-270.

The AP-270 series is supported up to 8.10 (we have ~30 AP-275/277 running on 8.10 with a project to replace them with 575).  I agree - a true site survey with an AP-on-a-stick would give a much better representation of placement and needs. - https://www.arubanetworks.com/assets/matrix/matrix_WLAN-platforms-software-support-matrix.pdf

The AP-270 series has been EOL since last October and the last supported software was AOS 8.6.

A single 575/585/675 in the middle of the area is sufficient to cover the area, assuming that meets the client needs.  More APs around the other areas would need to be decided based on actual performance (i.e., do a survey) and required client density.

Hello everyone,

A new project involves providing Wi-Fi in an outdoor area. The area is not large, covering approximately 200x200 meters (660x660 feet). The attached picture is the draft of the area. You can see that Wi-Fi is primarily needed in two specific locations, and the rest of the area should be covered as well as possible. Since trees, in particular, play an important role in the outdoor environment, I have also included them in the draft (trees and bushes). I have marked the points where APs can definitely be installed. Electricity is available throughout the entire area, but LAN connections are only available at the points shown.

There are still 4 outdoor APs from the 270 Series available. These are two Aruba AP-277 with directional antennas (80º H x 80º V) and two AP-275 with omnidirectional antennas. While they are not the latest models, if you need more for this project, they can be purchased easily and cheaply. Are the newer, more expensive APs really worth it for a project like this?

The question now is how to ensure good Wi-Fi coverage in the two key areas and, ideally, cover the remaining space as well. By the way, the clients are standard mobile devices. Several APs can also be installed at the points shown, and the other APs can be integrated via mesh. There is a second 5GHz module for that. Do you have any suggestions on the best placement for the APs?

Thanks!

The maximum transmission power in this country is 20dBm (2.4GHz) and 30dBm in the 5GHz band.

I would use mesh for this, and avoid wireless uplink, especially to other Instant APs as the clustering may become a mess.

For mesh, setup first all APs connected in a single cluster/swarm, make sure that 'Extended SSID' is disabled (when enabled, the mesh SSID is disabled to allow one additional access SSID, which you don't need in this case), once all are in one cluster, disconnect the mesh nodes/points and just power them with no uplink and they should connect to the mesh portals that are connected to the network.

Benefit of using mesh is that you have the same SSID everywhere and can even roam between a mesh point (disconnected, just powered) and mesh portal (connected).

Hello again,

after I tested the range last time, I thought about how best to distribute the APs. I would do it like in the picture below and I should be able to cover all the important areas. The APs x77 are connected to the internet via wired Uplink. The two APs x75 only have a wireless Uplink.

If I use one of the 5GHz modules with its own SSID for the wireless Uplink on the x77 APs, it is enough if I enter this SSID under wireless Uplink on the x75 APs, right?

Should I use the 5xx APs or are the 3xx ones sufficient?

"Still, would not recommend a new installation in 2025 with the AP-270."

I agree completely

Yes, that's what I get for not paying close enough attention and just looking at the Instant information.

Still, would not recommend a new installation in 2025 with the AP-270.

The AP-270 series is supported up to 8.10 (we have ~30 AP-275/277 running on 8.10 with a project to replace them with 575).  I agree - a true site survey with an AP-on-a-stick would give a much better representation of placement and needs. - https://www.arubanetworks.com/assets/matrix/matrix_WLAN-platforms-software-support-matrix.pdf

The AP-270 series has been EOL since last October and the last supported software was AOS 8.6.

A single 575/585/675 in the middle of the area is sufficient to cover the area, assuming that meets the client needs.  More APs around the other areas would need to be decided based on actual performance (i.e., do a survey) and required client density.

Hello everyone,

A new project involves providing Wi-Fi in an outdoor area. The area is not large, covering approximately 200x200 meters (660x660 feet). The attached picture is the draft of the area. You can see that Wi-Fi is primarily needed in two specific locations, and the rest of the area should be covered as well as possible. Since trees, in particular, play an important role in the outdoor environment, I have also included them in the draft (trees and bushes). I have marked the points where APs can definitely be installed. Electricity is available throughout the entire area, but LAN connections are only available at the points shown.

There are still 4 outdoor APs from the 270 Series available. These are two Aruba AP-277 with directional antennas (80º H x 80º V) and two AP-275 with omnidirectional antennas. While they are not the latest models, if you need more for this project, they can be purchased easily and cheaply. Are the newer, more expensive APs really worth it for a project like this?

The question now is how to ensure good Wi-Fi coverage in the two key areas and, ideally, cover the remaining space as well. By the way, the clients are standard mobile devices. Several APs can also be installed at the points shown, and the other APs can be integrated via mesh. There is a second 5GHz module for that. Do you have any suggestions on the best placement for the APs?

Thanks!

The maximum transmission power in this country is 20dBm (2.4GHz) and 30dBm in the 5GHz band.

 I tried again a few things and read other discussions here in the forum. This gave me new approaches. 

So far I had tested and planned an x77 AP in the number 1 (see picture). Now I have seen that Aruba also has some external antennas. Since there is a building at this point, I could easily install an AP inside and assemble the antenna outside. I had now thought of the AP-Ant-48. Does an external antenna make more sense than an x77ap? Or does that make no difference?

The range is particularly important for the AP with number 2. So I thought of an x77 AP. Does that fit or would an x75 AP have the same range here plus even more in width (because of Omni). 

The AP 3 is connected by cable and is also a Mesh-Portal for the x75 AP on the left side. Here I thought again whether an x77AP or x75 AP would make more sense. An x75 AP would cover more space through the Omni antenna. But there is the question of whether this AP influences AP number 2 with the Omni antenna (interference)!? If you insert an x77 for number 3, the cover in width is not so good, but the AP 2 is not disturbed. What do you all mean?

I would use mesh for this, and avoid wireless uplink, especially to other Instant APs as the clustering may become a mess.

For mesh, setup first all APs connected in a single cluster/swarm, make sure that 'Extended SSID' is disabled (when enabled, the mesh SSID is disabled to allow one additional access SSID, which you don't need in this case), once all are in one cluster, disconnect the mesh nodes/points and just power them with no uplink and they should connect to the mesh portals that are connected to the network.

Benefit of using mesh is that you have the same SSID everywhere and can even roam between a mesh point (disconnected, just powered) and mesh portal (connected).

Hello again,

after I tested the range last time, I thought about how best to distribute the APs. I would do it like in the picture below and I should be able to cover all the important areas. The APs x77 are connected to the internet via wired Uplink. The two APs x75 only have a wireless Uplink.

If I use one of the 5GHz modules with its own SSID for the wireless Uplink on the x77 APs, it is enough if I enter this SSID under wireless Uplink on the x75 APs, right?

Should I use the 5xx APs or are the 3xx ones sufficient?

"Still, would not recommend a new installation in 2025 with the AP-270."

I agree completely

Yes, that's what I get for not paying close enough attention and just looking at the Instant information.

Still, would not recommend a new installation in 2025 with the AP-270.

The AP-270 series is supported up to 8.10 (we have ~30 AP-275/277 running on 8.10 with a project to replace them with 575).  I agree - a true site survey with an AP-on-a-stick would give a much better representation of placement and needs. - https://www.arubanetworks.com/assets/matrix/matrix_WLAN-platforms-software-support-matrix.pdf

The AP-270 series has been EOL since last October and the last supported software was AOS 8.6.

A single 575/585/675 in the middle of the area is sufficient to cover the area, assuming that meets the client needs.  More APs around the other areas would need to be decided based on actual performance (i.e., do a survey) and required client density.

Hello everyone,

A new project involves providing Wi-Fi in an outdoor area. The area is not large, covering approximately 200x200 meters (660x660 feet). The attached picture is the draft of the area. You can see that Wi-Fi is primarily needed in two specific locations, and the rest of the area should be covered as well as possible. Since trees, in particular, play an important role in the outdoor environment, I have also included them in the draft (trees and bushes). I have marked the points where APs can definitely be installed. Electricity is available throughout the entire area, but LAN connections are only available at the points shown.

There are still 4 outdoor APs from the 270 Series available. These are two Aruba AP-277 with directional antennas (80º H x 80º V) and two AP-275 with omnidirectional antennas. While they are not the latest models, if you need more for this project, they can be purchased easily and cheaply. Are the newer, more expensive APs really worth it for a project like this?

The question now is how to ensure good Wi-Fi coverage in the two key areas and, ideally, cover the remaining space as well. By the way, the clients are standard mobile devices. Several APs can also be installed at the points shown, and the other APs can be integrated via mesh. There is a second 5GHz module for that. Do you have any suggestions on the best placement for the APs?

Thanks!

The maximum transmission power in this country is 20dBm (2.4GHz) and 30dBm in the 5GHz band.

An external antenna can potentially provide a better solution, depending on the requirement.  The AP-ANT-348 is a 60° x 60° patch antenna and may provide a higher gain than an integrated antenna, but the loss from the cabling and connections needs to be taken into account.

 I tried again a few things and read other discussions here in the forum. This gave me new approaches. 

So far I had tested and planned an x77 AP in the number 1 (see picture). Now I have seen that Aruba also has some external antennas. Since there is a building at this point, I could easily install an AP inside and assemble the antenna outside. I had now thought of the AP-Ant-48. Does an external antenna make more sense than an x77ap? Or does that make no difference?

The range is particularly important for the AP with number 2. So I thought of an x77 AP. Does that fit or would an x75 AP have the same range here plus even more in width (because of Omni). 

The AP 3 is connected by cable and is also a Mesh-Portal for the x75 AP on the left side. Here I thought again whether an x77AP or x75 AP would make more sense. An x75 AP would cover more space through the Omni antenna. But there is the question of whether this AP influences AP number 2 with the Omni antenna (interference)!? If you insert an x77 for number 3, the cover in width is not so good, but the AP 2 is not disturbed. What do you all mean?

I would use mesh for this, and avoid wireless uplink, especially to other Instant APs as the clustering may become a mess.

For mesh, setup first all APs connected in a single cluster/swarm, make sure that 'Extended SSID' is disabled (when enabled, the mesh SSID is disabled to allow one additional access SSID, which you don't need in this case), once all are in one cluster, disconnect the mesh nodes/points and just power them with no uplink and they should connect to the mesh portals that are connected to the network.

Benefit of using mesh is that you have the same SSID everywhere and can even roam between a mesh point (disconnected, just powered) and mesh portal (connected).

Hello again,

after I tested the range last time, I thought about how best to distribute the APs. I would do it like in the picture below and I should be able to cover all the important areas. The APs x77 are connected to the internet via wired Uplink. The two APs x75 only have a wireless Uplink.

If I use one of the 5GHz modules with its own SSID for the wireless Uplink on the x77 APs, it is enough if I enter this SSID under wireless Uplink on the x75 APs, right?

Should I use the 5xx APs or are the 3xx ones sufficient?

"Still, would not recommend a new installation in 2025 with the AP-270."

I agree completely

Yes, that's what I get for not paying close enough attention and just looking at the Instant information.

Still, would not recommend a new installation in 2025 with the AP-270.

The AP-270 series is supported up to 8.10 (we have ~30 AP-275/277 running on 8.10 with a project to replace them with 575).  I agree - a true site survey with an AP-on-a-stick would give a much better representation of placement and needs. - https://www.arubanetworks.com/assets/matrix/matrix_WLAN-platforms-software-support-matrix.pdf

The AP-270 series has been EOL since last October and the last supported software was AOS 8.6.

A single 575/585/675 in the middle of the area is sufficient to cover the area, assuming that meets the client needs.  More APs around the other areas would need to be decided based on actual performance (i.e., do a survey) and required client density.

Hello everyone,

A new project involves providing Wi-Fi in an outdoor area. The area is not large, covering approximately 200x200 meters (660x660 feet). The attached picture is the draft of the area. You can see that Wi-Fi is primarily needed in two specific locations, and the rest of the area should be covered as well as possible. Since trees, in particular, play an important role in the outdoor environment, I have also included them in the draft (trees and bushes). I have marked the points where APs can definitely be installed. Electricity is available throughout the entire area, but LAN connections are only available at the points shown.

There are still 4 outdoor APs from the 270 Series available. These are two Aruba AP-277 with directional antennas (80º H x 80º V) and two AP-275 with omnidirectional antennas. While they are not the latest models, if you need more for this project, they can be purchased easily and cheaply. Are the newer, more expensive APs really worth it for a project like this?

The question now is how to ensure good Wi-Fi coverage in the two key areas and, ideally, cover the remaining space as well. By the way, the clients are standard mobile devices. Several APs can also be installed at the points shown, and the other APs can be integrated via mesh. There is a second 5GHz module for that. Do you have any suggestions on the best placement for the APs?

Thanks!

The maximum transmission power in this country is 20dBm (2.4GHz) and 30dBm in the 5GHz band.

Thanks for the reply. 

There are already cables on the Ant-48. Maybe 30 to 50cm and I will not extend this cable, it is enough to get through the thin wall. The x77 AP has 80 ° and 80 ° is a bit wider than the 60 ° of the antenna... But I could build up two antennas at the point?

An external antenna can potentially provide a better solution, depending on the requirement.  The AP-ANT-348 is a 60° x 60° patch antenna and may provide a higher gain than an integrated antenna, but the loss from the cabling and connections needs to be taken into account.

 I tried again a few things and read other discussions here in the forum. This gave me new approaches. 

So far I had tested and planned an x77 AP in the number 1 (see picture). Now I have seen that Aruba also has some external antennas. Since there is a building at this point, I could easily install an AP inside and assemble the antenna outside. I had now thought of the AP-Ant-48. Does an external antenna make more sense than an x77ap? Or does that make no difference?

The range is particularly important for the AP with number 2. So I thought of an x77 AP. Does that fit or would an x75 AP have the same range here plus even more in width (because of Omni). 

The AP 3 is connected by cable and is also a Mesh-Portal for the x75 AP on the left side. Here I thought again whether an x77AP or x75 AP would make more sense. An x75 AP would cover more space through the Omni antenna. But there is the question of whether this AP influences AP number 2 with the Omni antenna (interference)!? If you insert an x77 for number 3, the cover in width is not so good, but the AP 2 is not disturbed. What do you all mean?

I would use mesh for this, and avoid wireless uplink, especially to other Instant APs as the clustering may become a mess.

For mesh, setup first all APs connected in a single cluster/swarm, make sure that 'Extended SSID' is disabled (when enabled, the mesh SSID is disabled to allow one additional access SSID, which you don't need in this case), once all are in one cluster, disconnect the mesh nodes/points and just power them with no uplink and they should connect to the mesh portals that are connected to the network.

Benefit of using mesh is that you have the same SSID everywhere and can even roam between a mesh point (disconnected, just powered) and mesh portal (connected).

Hello again,

after I tested the range last time, I thought about how best to distribute the APs. I would do it like in the picture below and I should be able to cover all the important areas. The APs x77 are connected to the internet via wired Uplink. The two APs x75 only have a wireless Uplink.

If I use one of the 5GHz modules with its own SSID for the wireless Uplink on the x77 APs, it is enough if I enter this SSID under wireless Uplink on the x75 APs, right?

Should I use the 5xx APs or are the 3xx ones sufficient?

"Still, would not recommend a new installation in 2025 with the AP-270."

I agree completely

Yes, that's what I get for not paying close enough attention and just looking at the Instant information.

Still, would not recommend a new installation in 2025 with the AP-270.

The AP-270 series is supported up to 8.10 (we have ~30 AP-275/277 running on 8.10 with a project to replace them with 575).  I agree - a true site survey with an AP-on-a-stick would give a much better representation of placement and needs. - https://www.arubanetworks.com/assets/matrix/matrix_WLAN-platforms-software-support-matrix.pdf

The AP-270 series has been EOL since last October and the last supported software was AOS 8.6.

A single 575/585/675 in the middle of the area is sufficient to cover the area, assuming that meets the client needs.  More APs around the other areas would need to be decided based on actual performance (i.e., do a survey) and required client density.

Hello everyone,

A new project involves providing Wi-Fi in an outdoor area. The area is not large, covering approximately 200x200 meters (660x660 feet). The attached picture is the draft of the area. You can see that Wi-Fi is primarily needed in two specific locations, and the rest of the area should be covered as well as possible. Since trees, in particular, play an important role in the outdoor environment, I have also included them in the draft (trees and bushes). I have marked the points where APs can definitely be installed. Electricity is available throughout the entire area, but LAN connections are only available at the points shown.

There are still 4 outdoor APs from the 270 Series available. These are two Aruba AP-277 with directional antennas (80º H x 80º V) and two AP-275 with omnidirectional antennas. While they are not the latest models, if you need more for this project, they can be purchased easily and cheaply. Are the newer, more expensive APs really worth it for a project like this?

The question now is how to ensure good Wi-Fi coverage in the two key areas and, ideally, cover the remaining space as well. By the way, the clients are standard mobile devices. Several APs can also be installed at the points shown, and the other APs can be integrated via mesh. There is a second 5GHz module for that. Do you have any suggestions on the best placement for the APs?

Thanks!

The maximum transmission power in this country is 20dBm (2.4GHz) and 30dBm in the 5GHz band.

The AP-ANT-48 also has RP-SMA connectors, so unless you plan on using the AP-518 you'll be sacrificing a lot of transmit power by using an indoor AP model.  If the antenna pattern doesn't provide sufficient coverage, then you'll need another AP to provide the additional.

Thanks for the reply. 

There are already cables on the Ant-48. Maybe 30 to 50cm and I will not extend this cable, it is enough to get through the thin wall. The x77 AP has 80 ° and 80 ° is a bit wider than the 60 ° of the antenna... But I could build up two antennas at the point?

An external antenna can potentially provide a better solution, depending on the requirement.  The AP-ANT-348 is a 60° x 60° patch antenna and may provide a higher gain than an integrated antenna, but the loss from the cabling and connections needs to be taken into account.

 I tried again a few things and read other discussions here in the forum. This gave me new approaches. 

So far I had tested and planned an x77 AP in the number 1 (see picture). Now I have seen that Aruba also has some external antennas. Since there is a building at this point, I could easily install an AP inside and assemble the antenna outside. I had now thought of the AP-Ant-48. Does an external antenna make more sense than an x77ap? Or does that make no difference?

The range is particularly important for the AP with number 2. So I thought of an x77 AP. Does that fit or would an x75 AP have the same range here plus even more in width (because of Omni). 

The AP 3 is connected by cable and is also a Mesh-Portal for the x75 AP on the left side. Here I thought again whether an x77AP or x75 AP would make more sense. An x75 AP would cover more space through the Omni antenna. But there is the question of whether this AP influences AP number 2 with the Omni antenna (interference)!? If you insert an x77 for number 3, the cover in width is not so good, but the AP 2 is not disturbed. What do you all mean?

I would use mesh for this, and avoid wireless uplink, especially to other Instant APs as the clustering may become a mess.

For mesh, setup first all APs connected in a single cluster/swarm, make sure that 'Extended SSID' is disabled (when enabled, the mesh SSID is disabled to allow one additional access SSID, which you don't need in this case), once all are in one cluster, disconnect the mesh nodes/points and just power them with no uplink and they should connect to the mesh portals that are connected to the network.

Benefit of using mesh is that you have the same SSID everywhere and can even roam between a mesh point (disconnected, just powered) and mesh portal (connected).

Hello again,

after I tested the range last time, I thought about how best to distribute the APs. I would do it like in the picture below and I should be able to cover all the important areas. The APs x77 are connected to the internet via wired Uplink. The two APs x75 only have a wireless Uplink.

If I use one of the 5GHz modules with its own SSID for the wireless Uplink on the x77 APs, it is enough if I enter this SSID under wireless Uplink on the x75 APs, right?

Should I use the 5xx APs or are the 3xx ones sufficient?

"Still, would not recommend a new installation in 2025 with the AP-270."

I agree completely

Yes, that's what I get for not paying close enough attention and just looking at the Instant information.

Still, would not recommend a new installation in 2025 with the AP-270.

The AP-270 series is supported up to 8.10 (we have ~30 AP-275/277 running on 8.10 with a project to replace them with 575).  I agree - a true site survey with an AP-on-a-stick would give a much better representation of placement and needs. - https://www.arubanetworks.com/assets/matrix/matrix_WLAN-platforms-software-support-matrix.pdf

The AP-270 series has been EOL since last October and the last supported software was AOS 8.6.

A single 575/585/675 in the middle of the area is sufficient to cover the area, assuming that meets the client needs.  More APs around the other areas would need to be decided based on actual performance (i.e., do a survey) and required client density.

Hello everyone,

A new project involves providing Wi-Fi in an outdoor area. The area is not large, covering approximately 200x200 meters (660x660 feet). The attached picture is the draft of the area. You can see that Wi-Fi is primarily needed in two specific locations, and the rest of the area should be covered as well as possible. Since trees, in particular, play an important role in the outdoor environment, I have also included them in the draft (trees and bushes). I have marked the points where APs can definitely be installed. Electricity is available throughout the entire area, but LAN connections are only available at the points shown.

There are still 4 outdoor APs from the 270 Series available. These are two Aruba AP-277 with directional antennas (80º H x 80º V) and two AP-275 with omnidirectional antennas. While they are not the latest models, if you need more for this project, they can be purchased easily and cheaply. Are the newer, more expensive APs really worth it for a project like this?

The question now is how to ensure good Wi-Fi coverage in the two key areas and, ideally, cover the remaining space as well. By the way, the clients are standard mobile devices. Several APs can also be installed at the points shown, and the other APs can be integrated via mesh. There is a second 5GHz module for that. Do you have any suggestions on the best placement for the APs?

Thanks!

The maximum transmission power in this country is 20dBm (2.4GHz) and 30dBm in the 5GHz band.