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Heat map quirky behavior

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  • 1.  Heat map quirky behavior

    Posted Jan 13, 2012 12:39 PM
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    I'm VERY new to Aruba and Wireless....so please be gentle! :)

     

    While deploying new AP 105's at a new site, I've noticed that the Layered SNR heat map for ALL newly deployed APs show an area of reduced signal quality immediately to the top of the AP (with "top" meaning towards the top of the diagram).  I understand that the AP 105's are omnidirectional.....and also realize that many factors can impact the SNR values shown.  However - regardless of the location within the building the new APs are deployed, the "dead" space is ALWAYS showing up in the same spot for ALL APs (all are directly "above" the AP on the heat map).  

     

    Just to play "devil's advocate", I physically spun one of the APs 180 degrees - no change.  I'm convinced that this perceived dead space is not accurate, since the building I'm working on now is rather large, and the APs are deployed in several locations (there is nothing in the building/structure that would cause reduced coverage as shown on the heat map).

     

    Is this simply a characteristic of the Aruba OS/app?  Any ideas/suggestions would be very much appreciated!



  • 2.  RE: Heat map quirky behavior

    Posted Jan 13, 2012 12:46 PM

    Dan, 

     

    Are their any other APs on this floor or the floor above or below?  The way the heatmap is rendered in the Aruba controller is based on how the "other" Aruba APs hear this AP.  If you have an AP deployed on the map that cannot hear (or hears this AP at a very low signal) that is towards the top of this map (on this floor or the floors above or below) this would explain what you are seeing.  It does not mean that the AP is not propagating in that direction well, it just means that we cannot tell whether it is or not because of the real-time information that is being provided by other APs in that direction.  This map is really accurate when you have a good density of APs (again on the same floor or above and below since this data is 3 dimensional).  Hope this helps.

     

    Regards, 


    Austin



  • 3.  RE: Heat map quirky behavior

    Posted Jan 13, 2012 12:57 PM
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    This office in particular has several APs that have been deployed for a while....and 3 new ones that were just recently deployed.  ALL APs are showing the same basic pattern - even those that are in close proximity to other APs.

     

    It just doesn't make sense that ALL of the "bad" spots are towards the top of the diagram regardless of the APs actual location.



  • 4.  RE: Heat map quirky behavior

    Posted Jan 13, 2012 01:01 PM

    Dan, 

     

    Agree, this does look strange, have not seen this before, sorry, TAC may be able to assist if noone on the forum can.

     

    Regards, 


    Austin



  • 5.  RE: Heat map quirky behavior

    Posted Jan 13, 2012 01:13 PM

    How long has it been since you deployed the APs on the map?  There is a default predictive coverage that will be shown until AMP has polled the controller that terminates the AP and has gathered enough info to build a valid coverage pattern.



  • 6.  RE: Heat map quirky behavior

    Posted Jan 13, 2012 01:15 PM

    Oops.. sorry.  Dont know why I was thinking you were talking about Airwave.... :(

     

    Anyway, the same is true for the controllers heat map.  You have to give it some time for the all of the information to be gathered, processed and updated before you will get valid coverage patterns.

     

     



  • 7.  RE: Heat map quirky behavior

    Posted Jan 13, 2012 01:21 PM

    All of the APs along the top and right side....as well as the 2 in the lower-left corner...have been there for over a year.  The 3 along the bottom center/right are only a few days old.



  • 8.  RE: Heat map quirky behavior

    Posted Jan 13, 2012 01:29 PM

    Is ARM enabled?  If so, do you have power-save aware scanning turned on?  If you do, ARM may be able to go off-channel and scan, so it doesn't know about the other APs.

     

    Check the commands:

     

    show ap monitor ap-list ap-name xxxx (where xxxx is one of the APs) - does it show the other APs around it?  Do they have good (> 30 RSSI)?

     

    show ap arm scan-times ap-name xxxx - does Scans Attempted = Scans Rejected?



  • 9.  RE: Heat map quirky behavior

    Posted Jan 13, 2012 02:08 PM

    From the AP in the upper-right corner:

     

    Some of the RSSI values are >30, some are not.  In NO instance is the scan attempts/rejects the same.

     

    chanap-typephy-typedosmtitload-balancenstasavg-rssicurr-rssiwired-macs
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    44valid80211adisable32052870disable13030256
    44valid80211adisable32052870disable030300
    11valid80211b/gdisable32050660disable0151532
    11valid80211b/gdisable32050660disable0151526
    44unsecure80211a-HT-40disable982820disable182323256
    44valid80211a-HT-40disable471360disable1232361
    1valid80211b/gdisable69761disable33131230
    6valid80211b/gdisable27910disable00350
    6valid80211b/gdisable27910disable1034248
    1valid80211b/gdisable12181disable0313111
    1valid80211b/gdisable12141disable0161544
    1valid80211b/gdisable12141disable21615254
    11unsecure80211b/g-HT-20disable452disable011924
    11valid80211b/gdisable450disable027250
    11valid80211b/gdisable450disable2272487
    11unsecure80211b/g-HT-20disable450disable1191550
    11valid80211b/g-HT-20disable450disable019170
    11valid80211b/gdisable370disable01092
    11valid80211b/g-HT-20disable360disable01180
    11unsecure80211b/g-HT-20disable280disable0537

     

    ChannelScan Time     
    -----------------     
    channelassign-timescans-attemptedscans-rejecteddos-scansflagstimer-tick
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    36022854226380DVCT3205402
    40022854226340DVCT3205413
    443205446000DVACT3205447
    48022855226400DVCT3205420
    52022855226350DC3205434
    56022854226390DC3205310
    60022854226360DC3205324
    64022854226380DC3205334
    149022854226370DVCT3205342
    153022854226350DVCT3205356
    157022854226420DVCT3205370
    161022854226330DVCT3205378
    165022854226350DVCT3205395
    1129161516428155570DVACT3205388
    2027439261560DC3205401
    3027439261530DC3205412
    4027439261510DC3205422
    5027439261520DC3205437
    686496920073190690DVACT3205340
    7027439261530DC3205355
    8027439261550DC3205365
    9027439261560DC3205372
    10027439261570DAC3205379
    11104886218508178100DVACT3205447

     



  • 10.  RE: Heat map quirky behavior

    Posted Jan 13, 2012 02:47 PM

    The Scans rejected should be a small percentage of the Scans attempted.  What is happening is that your APs are trying to go off channel (they do this every 10 seconds by default) to scan other channels.  They do this to try to pick the best channel.  When they attempt to go off channel, something is causing them to not be able to (that is why the Scans rejected number is so high).

     

    In your ARM profile, do you have power save aware checked?  If so, you should turn that off (monitor closely, though, just in case you have very old clients that don't handle power save well).  That is probably what is causing the rejects.  This happens when the AP wants to scan another channel but there is at least one client in power-save mode and AP can't go scan. 

     

    Not being able to scan also can cause performance issues due to ARM not being able to pick the best power and channel for each AP.



  • 11.  RE: Heat map quirky behavior

    Posted Jan 13, 2012 05:46 PM

    If I uncheck Power Save Aware Scan, could that potentially impact latency-sensitive traffic...such as VoIP, streaming video, etc.?



  • 12.  RE: Heat map quirky behavior

    Posted Jan 13, 2012 06:28 PM

    Not really.  If a delay sensitive app is running, the device shouldn't go into power save.  I turn power save aware scanning off everywhere I go and I have a bunch of networks running with voice, video and all kinds of sensitive data apps.