Thanks Archana.
so I guess the way to get around the problem in 7.7 is to use v8.
Unfortunately v8 is different enough that I need to relearn where some settings are. I predicted a building in v8 but couldn't manipulate it the way I know how to in v7x.
I was in a hurry so wound up using 7.7 on an old machine, and will get acquainted with v8 later on.
thanks!
Pat