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Core Switch Architecture - 2920 Core + 2510 Access?

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  • 1.  Core Switch Architecture - 2920 Core + 2510 Access?

    Posted Aug 27, 2013 07:17 PM
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    I want to build a new 'core' for our network. We currently have a 3com 4060 switch acting as the core, connecting all the other TOR and access switches together.

    The goal is to add resilience into the core, without compromising performance.

    Each switch currently connects to the core with between 2 and 4 physical links configured as LACP trunks.

    I am looking at replacing the 3com with a pair of HP 2920 switches with the optional stacking module. My understanding is that with the stacking module, the 2 switches will act as 1 'virtual' switch so I can connect each link from the access switches to each 2920:

     

    http://i.imgur.com/03IP2Gf.png

    (For some reason I can't actually insert the picture here; Flash + Linux isn't the greatest)

    The actual question

    I know this isn't an unusual arrangement, but my questions are:

    1. Can it be done with the HP 2920 switches?
    2. Should I be using the HP "Trunk" type of trunk instead of LACP?

    3. Am I going about this completely wrong?

    I've found a lot of conflicting information. A lot of sources say that either Distributed Trunks can only be done with 3xxx or higher switches but the HP QuickSpecs say that DT is possible with the 2920. Other sources say that DT can only be done between a pair of switches and a server (not other switches) but if the DT appears as a LACP trunk to the 'downstream' device then how does it matter?

    I could do this using STP to block the links between the access switches and the second core switch, but I don't want to waste all that bandwidth.


    #distributedtrunking
    #dt
    #LACP
    #stacking


  • 2.  RE: Core Switch Architecture - 2920 Core + 2510 Access?

    Posted Aug 28, 2013 05:11 AM

    According to this HP Forum thread. Full stacking is supported on the 2920. You can create manual LACP trunks spanning both 2920 switches to your downlevel switches.



  • 3.  RE: Core Switch Architecture - 2920 Core + 2510 Access?

    Posted Aug 28, 2013 07:37 PM

    Thanks Acmosa, I didn't see that thread in my searching. The way I read it though, they are talking about trunks to servers, not between switches, which is what I've read can't be done: http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&taskId=110&prodSeriesId=3897494&prodTypeId=12883&objectID=c03269076



  • 4.  RE: Core Switch Architecture - 2920 Core + 2510 Access?

    Posted Aug 28, 2013 09:32 PM

    Yes, it is confusing because originally it was implemented as DT for servers only not switch-switch links.

     

    On the 5400s, after about K1508, it became supported on switch-switch links.

     

    So what you need to do is navigate HPs website and find the very latest config guide for the latest firmware version for your switch and find the chapter on DT to see what it says.



  • 5.  RE: Core Switch Architecture - 2920 Core + 2510 Access?

    Posted Aug 28, 2013 10:24 PM

    Honestly, whoever is in charge of HP's website needs a kick up the arse.

    Why does it take so long to find things?

     

    This manual is less than 6 months old:

     

    http://h20628.www2.hp.com/km-ext/kmcsdirect/emr_na-c03673787-2.pdf

     

    The section on link aggregation doesn't mention DT. That would normally suggest to me that the firmware used on 2920s doesn't support it at all.

     

    However, the data sheet says,

    IEEE 802.3ad Link Aggregation Control Protocol (LACP) and HP
    port trunking
    support up to 60 static, dynamic or distributed trunks active across
    a stack, with each trunk having up to eight links (ports) per static
    trunk; trunking across stack members is supported

     

    So, in conclusion, *maybe* they support it, but it's not properly documented as far as I can see.

     

     

     



  • 6.  RE: Core Switch Architecture - 2920 Core + 2510 Access?

    Posted Aug 28, 2013 11:21 PM

    1. Can it be done with the HP 2920 switches? YES
    2. Should I be using the HP "Trunk" type of trunk instead of LACP? For the stacking, this is irrelevant. For aggregated links to other devices, LACP is usually best.

    3. Am I going about this completely wrong? NO, exactly on the right track.

     

    Note that distributed trunking has nothing to do with the 2920 switches. 2920 switches have a stacking module with 2 40Gb ports that allow up to 4 2920 to be linked together into a single device. MLAGs are possible (eg LACP from ports 1/1 and 2/1 to an external switch, server, etc). When you connect the switches via the stacking modules and cable, it looks to the rest of the world like a single device. Very easy!

     

    Sample config from 2920-stack included:

    ; hpStack_WB Configuration Editor; Created on release #WB.15.11.0003
    ; Ver #03:12.15.0d:09
    
    stacking
       member 1 type "J9727A" mac-address d89d67-8af040
       member 2 type "J9727A" mac-address d89d67-863dc0
       exit
    hostname "2920-stack"
    trunk 1/A1,2/A1 trk1 lacp
    trunk 1/A2,2/A2 trk2 lacp
    gvrp
    logging 10.20.30.85
    timesync sntp
    sntp unicast
    sntp server priority 1 10.20.30.90
    time daylight-time-rule user-defined begin-date 10/01 end-date 04/01
    time timezone 600
    ip authorized-managers 10.20.30.0 255.255.255.0 access manager
    ip authorized-managers 10.20.248.0 255.255.254.0 access manager
    ip default-gateway 10.20.30.2
    ip ssh filetransfer
    interface 1/24
       name "Spanning tree test"
       exit
    interface 1/A1
       name "Link to 5830"
       exit
    interface 2/A1
       name "Link to 5830"
       exit
    snmp-server community "public" operator
    snmp-server community "private" unrestricted
    snmp-server host 10.20.30.85 community "public"
    oobm
       ip address dhcp-bootp
       member 1
          ip address dhcp-bootp
          exit
       member 2
          ip address dhcp-bootp
          exit
       exit
    vlan 1
       name "DEFAULT_VLAN"
       no untagged 1/1-1/18,1/23-1/24,Trk1-Trk2
       untagged 1/19-1/22,1/B1-1/B2,2/1-2/24,2/B1-2/B2
       no ip address
       exit
    vlan 200
       name "Exhibition Connectivity"
       no ip address
       forbid 1/23-1/24
       exit
    vlan 930
       name "Servers"
       untagged Trk1-Trk2
       ip address 10.20.30.20 255.255.255.0
       exit
    vlan 1248
       name "Roadshow demo"
       untagged 1/1-1/18,1/23-1/24
       no ip address
       exit
    spanning-tree
    spanning-tree Trk1 priority 4
    spanning-tree Trk2 priority 4
    spanning-tree config-name "Roadshow"
    spanning-tree config-revision 1
    spanning-tree priority 4
    no tftp client
    no tftp server
    no autorun
    no dhcp config-file-update
    no dhcp image-file-update
    password manager

     



  • 7.  RE: Core Switch Architecture - 2920 Core + 2510 Access?

    Posted Aug 28, 2013 11:33 PM

    @Richard Litchfield Awesome answer, just what I was after. Thank-you very much! :D

     

    Now I just need to get the boss to approve the purchase, I will report back with my results :)



  • 8.  RE: Core Switch Architecture - 2920 Core + 2510 Access?

    Posted Oct 02, 2013 02:26 AM
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    Well the boss approved it, and I installed it last weekend. Everything works perfectly.... Good-bye to the old 3com and Hello to managability and room for expansion :D

     

    Thanks again to those who helped clarify my questions around this :)