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VSF with non-standard transceivers

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  • 1.  VSF with non-standard transceivers

    Posted Mar 19, 2019 06:51 AM

    This documents the use of an unsupported, third-party, non-standard transceiver as part of a VSF link between two 2930F switches. In this case, an 8Gb Qlogic fibre channel transceiver.


    Whilst it is technically possible, it is strongly recommended that this is NOT done - the VSF link is too important to leave to chance, and the appropriate AOS-S transceivers (optics or DACs) should always be used.
    However, I can think of two scenarios where this may be useful, and the best thing is, we give you the choice!

    1. Lab/test environment where there is nothing else available (my situation)
    2. A specific niche optic for a particular connection use-case (eg CWDM) that is not sold by HPE.

    Unsupported Transceivers
    The use of unsupported transceivers is allowed on certain ArubaOS-Switch models using this command (for at least some transceivers, a reboot may be required):

    allow-unsupported-transceiver

    However, as is evident in the name and the specific warning that is displayed, third-party transceivers are not supported, and any damage caused by them may not be covered by the switch warranty. Note that the possibility of damage is real; for instance some transceivers available draw more power than is permitted by the spec, and can cause heat-related damage and failure.

     

    Additional information available in Rob Haviland's post.

     

    VSF
    Configuring VSF is pretty straightforward:

    • configure member 1
    • reset member 2
    • connect VSF links

    This will not work with unsupported transceivers in member 2, because the reset will remove the "allow-unsupported-transceiver" command.

     

    On the member 2 switch, you may see errors like this:

    I 01/01/90 00:01:10 00076 ports: port 9 is now on-line
    W 01/01/90 00:01:08 00533 FFI: port 10 is not a Aruba transceiver. Please go to:
                https://www.hpe.com/us/en/networking.html for more info.

    On the member 1 commander, you may see errors like this:

    I 01/01/90 00:08:17 04988 vsf: ST1-CMDR: VSF link 1 port 1/9 up: Peer validated
    I 01/01/90 00:06:39 04992 vsf: ST1-CMDR: VSF port 1/9 is down
    I 01/01/90 00:06:39 04992 vsf: ST1-CMDR: VSF port 1/10 is down
    I 01/01/90 00:04:34 04992 vsf: ST1-CMDR: VSF port 1/10 is in error state
    W 01/01/90 00:04:34 04982 vsf: ST1-CMDR: VSF port failure on link 1 port 1/10:
                Peer port 10 is not VSF enabled

    With just one unsupported transceiver (port 2/10), this is the VSF output:

    groupn# sh vsf link detail
    
     VSF Member: 1     Link: 1
    
     Port     State
     -------- ------------
     1/9      Up: Connected to port 2/9
     1/10     Error: No response from peer
    
    
    
     VSF Member: 2     Link: 1
    
     Port     State
     -------- ------------
     2/9      Up: Connected to port 1/9

    Suggested Process

     

    1. Have the switches next to each other for the initial setup
    2. Configure member 1
    3. Include the "allow-unsupported-transceiver" command in the config
    4. Use at least one supported transceiver (optic pair/DAC) to complete the VSF stack with member 2
    5. Both switches should now have the shared config that includes "allow-unsupported-transceiver"
    6. Introduce the third-party transceivers
    7. Relocate the switches if required

     

    Output from working system

     

    groupn# sh vsf
    
     VSF Domain ID    : 123
     MAC Address      : 94f128-8bf925
     VSF Topology     : Chain
     VSF Status       : Active
     Uptime           : 0d 0h 14m
     VSF MAD          : None
     VSF Port Speed   : 10G
     Software Version : WC.16.07.0002
    
     Mbr
     ID  MAC Address       Model                                 Pri Status
     --- ----------------- ------------------------------------- --- ---------------
     *1  94f128-8bf920     Aruba JL258A 2930F-8G-PoE+-2SFP+ S... 255 Commander
      2  b05ada-9843d0     Aruba JL258A 2930F-8G-PoE+-2SFP+ S... 128 Standby
    
    groupn# sh int br
    
     Status and Counters - Port Status
    
                              | Intrusion                           MDI  Flow Bcast
      Port         Type       | Alert     Enabled Status Mode       Mode Ctrl Limit
      ------------ ---------- + --------- ------- ------ ---------- ---- ---- -----
      1/1          100/1000T  | No        Yes     Down   1000FDx    Auto off  0
      1/2          100/1000T  | No        Yes     Down   1000FDx    Auto off  0
      1/3          100/1000T  | No        Yes     Down   1000FDx    Auto off  0
      1/4          100/1000T  | No        Yes     Down   1000FDx    Auto off  0
      1/5          100/1000T  | No        Yes     Down   1000FDx    Auto off  0
      1/6          100/1000T  | No        Yes     Down   1000FDx    Auto off  0
      1/7          100/1000T  | No        Yes     Down   1000FDx    Auto off  0
      1/8          100/1000T  | No        Yes     Down   1000FDx    Auto off  0
      1/9          SFP+DA1    | No        Yes     Up     10GigFD    NA   off  0
      1/10         SFP+SR     | No        Yes     Up     10GigFD    NA   off  0
      2/1          100/1000T  | No        Yes     Down   1000FDx    Auto off  0
      2/2          100/1000T  | No        Yes     Down   1000FDx    Auto off  0
      2/3          100/1000T  | No        Yes     Down   1000FDx    Auto off  0
      2/4          100/1000T  | No        Yes     Down   1000FDx    Auto off  0
      2/5          100/1000T  | No        Yes     Down   1000FDx    Auto off  0
      2/6          100/1000T  | No        Yes     Down   1000FDx    Auto off  0
      2/7          100/1000T  | No        Yes     Down   1000FDx    Auto off  0
      2/8          100/1000T  | No        Yes     Down   1000FDx    Auto off  0
      2/9          SFP+DA1    | No        Yes     Up     10GigFD    NA   off  0
      2/10*        SFP+SR     | No        Yes     Up     10GigFD    NA   off  0
     * third-party transceiver
    
    groupn(config)# sh vsf link detail
    
     VSF Member: 1     Link: 1
    
     Port     State
     -------- ------------
     1/9      Up: Connected to port 2/9
     1/10     Up: Connected to port 2/10
    
    
    
     VSF Member: 2     Link: 1
    
     Port     State
     -------- ------------
     2/9      Up: Connected to port 1/9
     2/10     Up: Connected to port 1/10
    
    groupn# sh tech transceivers
    Cmd Info : show tech transceivers
    
    transceivers
    
    Transceiver Technical Information:
     Port # | Type      | Prod #     | Serial #         | Part #
     -------+-----------+------------+------------------+----------
     1/9    | SFP+DA1   |     J9281D | CN91KBZF06       | 8121-1300
     1/10   | SFP+SR    |     J9150A | CN69G622L2       | 1990-4391
     2/9    | SFP+DA1   |     J9281D | CN91KBZF06       | 8121-1300
     2/10  *| SFP+SR    |            |                  |
    
    * third-party transceivershow time
    Mon Jan  1 00:17:39 1990

    Current Config

     

    ; hpStack_WC Configuration Editor; Created on release #WC.16.07.0002
    ; Ver #14:01.4f.f8.1d.9b.3f.bf.bb.ef.7c.59.fc.6b.fb.9f.fc.ff.ff.37.ef:02
    hostname "groupn"
    vsf
       enable domain 123
       member 1
          type "JL258A" mac-address 94f128-8bf920
          priority 255
          link 1 1/9-1/10
          link 1 name "I-Link1_1"
          link 2 name "I-Link1_2"
          exit
       member 2
          type "JL258A" mac-address b05ada-9843d0
          priority 128
          link 1 2/9-2/10
          link 1 name "I-Link2_1"
          link 2 name "I-Link2_2"
          exit
       port-speed 10g
       exit
    snmp-server community "public" unrestricted
    vlan 1
       name "DEFAULT_VLAN"
       untagged 1/1-1/8,2/1-2/8
       ip address dhcp-bootp
       ipv6 enable
       ipv6 address dhcp full
       exit
    allow-unsupported-transceiver

     



  • 2.  RE: VSF with non-standard transceivers

    Posted Mar 20, 2019 12:27 AM

    Additional Testing

    I also tried

    • 3m Comware/HPE/ISS DAC (did not work LEDs started green, then went orange)
    • 3m Arista DAC (did not work)
    • 1m HP/ISS DAC (did work)

    It probably highlights the variability of DACs as much as anything.

     

    3m Comware DAC or Arista 3m DAC

    In port 1/10, 2/10

    groupn# sh vsf link detail
    
     VSF Member: 1     Link: 1
    
     Port     State
     -------- ------------
     1/9      Down
     1/10     Up: Connected to port 2/10
    
    
    
     VSF Member: 2     Link: 1
    
     Port     State
     -------- ------------
     2/9      Down
     2/10     Up: Connected to port 1/10
    
    groupn# sh int transceiver
    
    Transceiver Technical Information:
    
                         Product      Serial             Part
     Port    Type        Number       Number             Number
     ------- ----------- ------------ ------------------ ----------
     1/9   * SFP+DAC       ??         unsupported
     1/10    SFP+SR      J9150A       CN69G622L2         1990-4391
     2/9   * SFP+DAC       ??         unsupported
     2/10  * SFP+SR
    
    * third-party transceiver

    1m HP/ISS DAC

    This one was labelled HP, with a 6-3 P/N (487654-001)

    groupn# sh vsf link detail
    
     VSF Member: 1     Link: 1
    
     Port     State
     -------- ------------
     1/9      Up: Connected to port 2/9
     1/10     Up: Connected to port 2/10
    
    
    
     VSF Member: 2     Link: 1
    
     Port     State
     -------- ------------
     2/9      Up: Connected to port 1/9
     2/10     Up: Connected to port 1/10
    
    
    groupn# sh int transceiver
    
    Transceiver Technical Information:
    
                         Product      Serial             Part
     Port    Type        Number       Number             Number
     ------- ----------- ------------ ------------------ ----------
     1/9     SFP+DA1     487652       11110769
     1/10    SFP+SR      J9150A       CN69G622L2         1990-4391
     2/9     SFP+DA1     487652       11110769
     2/10  * SFP+SR
    
    * third-party transceiver
    groupn# sh int transceiver detail
    
    Transceiver in 1/9
       Interface Index    : 9
       Type               : SFP+DA1
       Model              : 487652
       Connector Type     : Vendor specific
       Wavelength         : n/a
       Transfer Distance  : 1m (copper),
       Diagnostic Support : None
       Serial Number      : 11110769
    
    Transceiver in 1/10
       Interface Index    : 10
       Type               : SFP+SR
       Model              : J9150A
       Connector Type     : LC
       Wavelength         : 850nm
       Transfer Distance  : 80m (50um), 30m (62.5um), 300m (50um OM3),
       Diagnostic Support : DOM
       Serial Number      : CN69G622L2
    
     Status
       Temperature : 37.441C
       Voltage     : 3.3926V
       Tx Bias     : 5.236mA
       Tx Power    : 0.5939mW, -2.263dBm
       Rx Power    : 0.2713mW, -5.665dBm
    
    Transceiver in 2/9
       Interface Index    : 62
       Type               : SFP+DA1
       Model              : 487652
       Connector Type     : Vendor specific
       Wavelength         : n/a
       Transfer Distance  : 1m (copper),
       Diagnostic Support : None
       Serial Number      : 11110769
    
    Transceiver in 2/10*
       Interface Index    : 63
       Type               : SFP+SR
       Model              :
       Connector Type     :
       Wavelength         :
       Transfer Distance  :
       Diagnostic Support : None
       Serial Number      :
    * third-party transceiver


  • 3.  RE: VSF with non-standard transceivers

    EMPLOYEE
    Posted Mar 20, 2019 11:42 AM
    Nice find.

    I have build the VSF by manual config to include the allow-unsupported. I didn’t have original optics in my lab at the time. 🙈



  • 4.  RE: VSF with non-standard transceivers

    EMPLOYEE
    Posted Sep 03, 2020 12:36 PM

    I can confirm that the same principles apply to CX with v10.05 too (tested with a pair of CX6200s)



  • 5.  RE: VSF with non-standard transceivers

    EMPLOYEE
    Posted Sep 04, 2020 02:30 PM

    Yes, keeping in mind that the minimum VSF link speed requirement of 10Gbps still applies.